Join us on this Personal Update episode as Mike and Jason revisit a conversation from Episode 2 about the American flag in church. Jason ends up changing his mind by acknowledging that Ben may have been right about the flag in his church all along.

Jason also encourages Mike to try therapy, but Mike is hesitant. Listen in as Jason peer pressures him to go. Will Mike choose to go to therapy?

This is the first time Mike has been on the show as a co-host. You'll hear the story of how he "fan-girled" his way into being a guest co-host. Jason & Mike got to know each other better by co-hosting, while Ben enjoyed a night off.


You'll hear stories about real people who have dealt with depression, anxiety, addiction, self-doubt or any other struggle they've faced on their journey through life. It doesn't matter where you are in your own story - there's something for everyone on this show!

And if you need someone to talk to when it feels like things just aren't going well - reach out! We want nothing more than for every person who listens to this show feel less alone in the world. 

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